Jason Burack

Investor, Entrepreneur, Financial Historian, Austrian School Economist & Contrarian

Debunking Deflationist Myths & Scare Tactics About Gold

Haven’t you heard?

As I type this, the US and other world economies are supposedly in nothing but increasing deflationary pressures that will not be able to be stopped by any government or central banker no matter how much stimulus or money printing they decide on doing!

At least that’s what many of the talking heads on financial TV are telling us especially within the last month or so. They have been saying this message for awhile now. Here’s an interview from Mike “Mish” Shedlock from October 2009 talking about deflation:

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And so begins another inflation vs deflation debate.

Many of you who don’t want to learn everything there is to know about macroeconomics to understand what is really going on in the world right now are probably wondering is there an investment that will do well in inflation and/or deflation so you don’t have to be an expert economist to protect yourself and make an investment decision and get on with the rest of your lives?

First off, this is the best explanation summary I have read recently of what’s happening.

John Williams of ShadowStats even agrees (about short term deflationary pressures) as far as M3 goes, but is M3 even a valid measurement of the money supply and therefore of monetary inflation? My Austrian Economist friends would disagree with him here about M3 being a valid indicator of the true total money supply, but The M3 Money Supply figures John Williams has recreated do show M3 dropping! 

All of this I just mentioned about deflation will be a moot point if Ben Bernanke and other heads of central banks, including the IMF and Bank of International Settlements (BIS) aka the Central Banker’s Bank decide to step on the gas pedal and add more gasoline to the fire via more stimulus!

The Italian Keynesians in Italy are even upset with Germany for its “deflation policies.”

Despite declining M3 figures, ShadowStats’ Consumer Price Index (CPI) calculations also show inflation in consumer goods and services as measured by rising prices running at around a 6% clip.

James Turk, author of the book Dollar Collapse, Founder of the precious metals storage company GoldMoney, and a consultant for GATA thinks that hyperinflation is still by far the most likely outcome in his latest analysis.

What do these mixed signals mean? What’s the truth? Can I protect myself from inflation and deflation at the same time? (The short answer is Yes, you can.)

I even wrote an article awhile ago about commodities and commodity stocks telling you how commodities and their producers offered you inflation protection and also emerging market growth in case there is no real inflation.

Commodities are really the only asset class still in a long term, secular bull market and as an investor looking to protect and grow your wealth long term, I believe you need to be invested in this powerful long term trend.

I have already written a previous and very detailed article on Silver, which I think is perhaps the best long term investment one can make. Wall St for Main St Co-Founder, Mo Dawoud, of Mo Money Blog also has an article about Silver.

But, today I wanted to talk more about Silver’s more popular big brother, Gold.


See Gold has a secret power that most people don’t even know about! Besides doing well in inflation, Gold also does well as a deflationary hedge!

Surprised huh? I will start my case for how and why gold does well during a deflationary environment later in the article.

So what’s really happening in our economy right now? What should you believe? Which experts should you trust? How can you protect your portfolio in case of inflation or deflation or both? Are we going to have bad inflation, bad deflation or will it be some sort of weird, hybrid mix that will hurt and destroy everyone (some more than others)?

These are the types of things Mo Dawoud and I think about everyday at Wall St for Main St.

Despite the evidence I have shown you of conflicting inflationary and deflationary pressures happening worldwide (I could show you a lot more conflicting evidence still but let’s keep this article relatively short) and no real clear winner in the near term, in an “I told you so”  trumpeting fashion, deflationists like Bob Prechter of Elliot Wave International and Harry S. Dent are coming back out of the woodwork to pat themselves on the back for being right about their long term, “Deflationary Death Spiral” predictions.

What’s funny is deflation is really not a death spiral at all. We were just taught it was in Economics 101 by our Keynesian teachers and professors.

In fact, deflation is the cure for all of the inflation that’s been going on in our economy and monetary system for many decades. Deflation is something the markets badly want as a cure for our extreme debt problems.

The problem with deflation is central bankers and governments want to do everything they can to prevent it.

The truth about deflation is economics and business students have been brainwashed for decades that higher prices are a good thing! Higher (rising) prices are in fact inflationary if they are rampant in our economy.

Saying higher prices, loss of purchasing power in our money and therefore inflation is a good thing is a complete and total lie engineered by Keynes and his economic disciples, like Paul Krugman, who have written your school’s economic textbooks to justify government’s hidden agenda!

Higher prices are only good for higher taxes and for specific corporations. They have ZERO benefit for everyone! Higher prices do not produce higher wages. Increasing production and efficiencies, lowering costs and adding more useful skills produce higher wages.

If a business tries to raise prices too high, a competitor will come in and compete and threaten to steal market share or worse, bankrupt the company.

When the free market system is functioning properly due to innovation, proper competition and other gains in efficiency, prices should actually be falling on all goods and services while the quality of goods and services increases.

Capitalism or the free market system was founded on the belief of “Creative Destruction.”

To give you an example of how the free market works properly to benefit consumers, this is why a $600 50″ Flat Screen LCD TV of today is cheaper and of higher quality than a $5,000 30″ Flat Screen Plasma TV was of say about 7 years ago. This is how a market is supposed to behave.

We still have some markets correctly behaving in this manner but not nearly as many as there should be. This is 100% due to government interference in specific markets, like healthcare to name just one, and also large corporations deciding it is in their best interest to pay to lobby Congress and get tax breaks, tax rebates and subsidies instead of investing that capital in more useful things like innovation, research and development and other things that would have a long term benefit to society and to the company.

Many corporations have now sacrificed long term gains for short term profits. Malinvestment, corruption, inefficiencies and overbearing regulations are suffocating many markets and are preventing proper competition.

Competition and the threat of extinction produces innovation and better technology, lower prices and higher quality in all goods and services.

The problem is governments don’t like deflation even if that’s what the market says we all need to have happen. Actually, ‘don’t like’ is not strong enough. They hate deflation and will do everything in their power, legal or illegal, to fight it!

This often means changing the rules of money.

Why? Because government’s interest and the interests of specific corporate special interests completely conflict with the interests of its citizens.

The interests of government and its citizens, for the most part, are no longer aligned, which is sad, but that’s the truth about what has become reality now. Government is now a separate entity much like a corporation is a separate entity.

Many governments are still spending frivolously and have not tightened their belts like the rest of us are being forced to do in our personal lives and in our businesses.

This is the brainwashing I am talking about. You have been led to believe that there is nothing wrong with higher prices on the goods and services you need and want. I am telling you the opposite is true.

Why does the government hate deflation and lower prices?

Because it lowers their tax revenues, it gives private citizens back their purchasing power (makes money more valuable to hold and save and invest) in their money and it lowers asset prices and other other consumer prices for goods and services we need and want.

Deflation does not allow governments to use inflation as a tax to steal our purchasing power (inflation is 100% pure government policy and is really nothing but an invisible, hidden government tax) and it lowers the taxes they collect on normal things like wages, property tax, etc.

This is one of the major reasons why there is so much effort by the Fed and Federal Government to try to re-inflate the housing bubble and to create inflation.

It’s in the government’s interests to create inflation (not too much inflation at once or too many people will wake up and realize and also dump the paper, fiat currency).

The bottom line is modern governments and central bankers have not allowed deflation to occur without first trying to interfere heavily in a country’s economy and markets and to first create inflation.

History is strewn with countless examples of interventionist policy by governments where the free market was not allowed to heal itself and purge itself of the bad investments and misuse of capital.

There is some revisionist history out there in textbooks that says FDR saved the US from a deflationary death spiral during the Great Depression of 1929 because his predecessor, President Herbert Hoover,  who was supposedly a proponent of the free market stood by and did nothing.

Unfortunately, this is another lie we have all been taught and you will have to unlearn.

The truth is FDR just continued what Hoover started. Hoover was an interventionist also. He was anything but a “free market” guy. History book writers who wrote the textbooks we used in school all needed a goat to make FDR look like a hero and so the “truth” about Hoover was twisted to make FDR look great and Hoover look like an evil and uncaring Capitalist pig.

The last non-interventionist President that allowed a pure deflation and did not interfere in markets was President Warren Harding during the Great Depression of 1920. This is a video of a 50 minute speech Austrian Economist, Author, and Economic Historian Thomas Woods gave on the subject:

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Harding refused to interfere in the markets and he ran on an “allow deflation” platform. In fact, Harding even cut government spending in half!

While the first year of that depression was very hard, and I believe unemployment numbers were higher for that first year than in 1929, the US was out of a depression and recovering in only 18 months!

Normally, a hyperinflation occurs followed by a deflation to wipe out the mess completely and so the system (our economy) can hit the reset button.

This is a very painful process, but we cannot avoid taking any pain and I am 100% sure we are going to have to take our “medicine” aka the cure eventually. That cure involves letting bad debts and bad loans and other toxic things like Mortgage Backed Securities go to their intrinsic value of zero or close to it.

Besides congratulating themselves, these deflationists also ALWAYS have one last word of advice.

They tell you to immediately sell your gold and gold stocks! This is it they say. The top in gold is in and they are fully sure of it.

There’s just one problem! They’ve been calling a top in gold for years! How many years have these deflationists been calling a top in gold?

Well, Bob Prechter has been calling a top in gold and silver every slight increase for the last 15 yrs or so! If you followed his advice and shorted gold and silver each time, you might be bankrupt.

Here’s a link to the best summary available on the Internet of Bob Prechter’s track record of forecasts. He and his Elliot Wave followers have been a lot more correct in the short and medium term with their predictions than in their long term predictions. In fact, CXO Advisory Group, the company who compiled the statistics and summary of Prechter’s forecasts gave Prechter a Guru Accuracy Rating of only 26%.

I would not be listening to Prechter for long term investment advice. In my opinion, he’s a very good technical trader. That’s it.

When asked what to buy with the money from selling your gold and gold stocks, Bob Prechter recommends short term US Treasuries as the best option.

That’s funny to recommend you buy debt in a debt crisis don’t you think?

Wouldn’t certain types of cash (non G7 “Westernized” currencies) be better and safer than US Treasury debt? Dent has the same recommendations as Prechter.

A Better Solution

Ok, so why the conflicting evidence of inflation and deflation? Is it even possible to have both inflation and deflation at the same time?

The answer is ‘Yes’ and according to Dan Amerman, this has actually occurred many times throughout history!

Dan Amerman is a former longtime, and now reformed (he saw the error of his ways) investment banker who has switched from helping Wall St design weapons of mass destruction (financial derivatives) to quitting that industry about a decade ago so he could focus on helping out the people of Main St from losing everything they have to Wall St and the government.

He also wrote the textbook many central bankers still use, so it would be slighting him to call him anything other than an expert at what he does.

He has a free Turning Inflation Into Wealth Mini-Course on his website that you can sign up for that he sends to you periodically through email updates.

I’d recommend you sign up for his course as he can help you increase your Financial IQ exponentially for free if you are willing to spend the time reading and learning!

After that brief introduction to Amerman, for those of you unfamiliar with him, now back to my regularly scheduled argument.

Deflationists say we cannot have both inflation and deflation at the same time. Dan Amerman counters that this is the Santa Claus Theory of Deflation that is so prevalently taught in classrooms by economics professors in academia.

For deflationists, this is what they’ve been taught in the economics classrooms by mostly Keynesian Economist schoolteachers and professors who teach central planning, tout higher prices as a good thing, and lots of other Keynesian nonsense and General Theory dribble.

This theory of deflation is theory and jargon and only exists in a vacuum where the US economy is not affected by other global factors and pressures!

In my humble opinion as well as Dan Amerman’s opinion, it can and will destroy your net worth if you adhere to it religiously and bet most or all of your investment and/or retirement money on it.

In fact, according to Dan Amerman, pure deflation where asset values AND prices/monetary supply both deflate at the same time has never occurred in modern history in the way and the historical examples the deflationists claim it has!

Amerman cites deflationists 2 main examples and successfully counters their arguments:

  1. The US Great Depression of 1929
  2. Present day Japan, which has supposedly been stagnant with deflation for going on 2 decades now.

I and many other experts not believers in Keynesian macroeconomics beg to differ.

They say deflation, which is a decrease in money and credit, is so powerful that there cannot be any way for central bankers and governments to continue to inflate/devalue/debase the Dollar and other paper currencies. I beg to differ.


As a last resort, the Fed and other central bankers can ALWAYS devalue the US dollar against gold by going into the open market and purchasing gold.

When you do that you are essentially shorting your own currency to make it weaker.

Now, admittedly, the US economy is facing some short term deflationary pressures, but the US economy and our stock markets are not inside a vacuum because of globalization and there is not deflationary pressures worldwide. In fact, China has increasing inflationary pressures!

Also, Helicopter Ben Bernanke and the other Keynesians at the Fed as well as President Obama and others in Congress are seeing the same thing and it’s time for another round or three or five of large Stimulus and Job bills!

Another $80 billion Stimulus bill is in Congress already and more will surely come.

There are nowhere near the amount of signs outside of the developed world that deflation is a risk. Inflation is still, by far, the main concern in emerging markets and will continue to be the main concern worldwide for years to come as all world governments continue to print money, Austerity Measures or no austerity measures.

Ok well now let’s move onto the conclusion and something the deflationists really have ZERO credible explanation for happening, the curious case of Homestake Mining.

Citing this example will win you an argument against deflationists of why gold does well during deflation every time!

The Curious Case of Homestake Mining and How it Disproves Everything Most Deflationists Think About Gold’s Behavior During Deflation

I have debated deflationists often about inflation vs deflation and about gold. All deflationists HATE gold and think it is a very poor investment in deflation.

The most popular answers always are, “you can’t eat gold,” “if the world is ending gold will be useless,” “if things ever come to that government is going to confiscate all of your gold and we are going to laugh at you, give you nothing for it and we are going to tell you ‘I told you so’,”  “you will not be able to defend your gold,” “water, food, guns, ammo and plant seeds will be more valuable.”

They then say how gold will collapse during a deflation and the price will fall by more than half. There’s just one problem.

History says otherwise!

The truth is they haven’t done their homework.

Almost none of the deflationists I have talked to, and I have debated dozens, have studied Homestake Mining and what happened to the company during the Great Depression of 1929. The deflationist camp cannot explain it away so they simply try and dodge the “Homestake” golden bullet/ace.

For those of you unfamiliar, Homestake Mining was the only major gold mining company listed on the NYSE during the Great Depression of 1929.

When deflation occurred and FDR took over for President Hoover, one of the first things he did was try to seize/confiscate all privately owned Gold.

Government agents were stationed outside banks and people were told to hand in all of their gold in exchange for a $20/oz price. Similar attempts were made with silver.

FDR then revalued gold to $35/oz against the US Dollar effectively devaluing the US Dollar against Gold by over 40%!!!!

The gold was then melted down into bars and a secure storage facility was built at Fort Knox.

After the confiscation, the bankers and people at the Fed knew the gold confiscation and dollar devaluation was coming ahead of time and they acted on this inside information and they managed to buy gold bullion and also shares of Homestake Mining knowing the confiscation of gold would make it a more scarce and desired commodity.

Confiscating gold will also create a Black Market for gold as people will have an even larger demand for it because of its scarcity.

What ensued after FDR’s confiscation of gold was shares of Homestake Mining reacted as a direct proxy for gold. Shares in Homestake Mining took off like a rocket despite deflation (it wasn’t real deflation as Amerman explains because government wouldn’t allow it).

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Here are some more articles on Homestake Mining and Gold’s Secret Deflationary Powers proving my point:

The Bottom Line:

So you now know Gold’s secret power. That besides doing well in inflationary times, during deflationary times gold and gold mining stocks also do well. This is why people need to own both physical silver and gold and also mining stocks as a diversified precious metals portfolio in case of confiscation.

Gold will outperform silver during deflation and Silver will outperform Gold during Inflation. Even if gold is confiscated, other proxies for gold will shoot up in price like Homestake Mining did in 1929!

In conclusion, based on my own research into this matter, whether there is inflation or deflation or both, you will be a lot more protected in physical gold and gold mining shares than you will be in US Treasuries or in a lot of the conventional paper, fiat currencies that are still erroneously considered safe havens.

Moving some cash into foreign currencies outside of US Dollars, British Pounds, Japanese Yen and the Euro is probably also a good idea as well.

What’s happening now in the markets and our economy is exactly what gold was designed to protect against.

Gold is currently being revalued by the markets as money.

It is insurance and protection against financial calamity and chaos.

The deflationists have not properly studied history concerning gold and their arguments have no credible explanation for why Homestake Mining took off like a rocket.

Every deflationist I have talked to has dodged the Homestake Mining argument in fact.

I’d much rather be holding physical gold and gold stocks than holding US Dollars and US Treasuries.

Do you own due diligence into this, but I am of the opinion, that if you as an investor don’t have exposure to physical gold and silver or gold and silver mining stocks, you have not done enough research into this matter.

Governments and central bankers are going to continue to do everything they can to continue to debase, devalue and inflate these paper, fiat currencies and you need to protect yourself from this by diversifying in precious metals.

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  • Bill Ward

    There are sectors of inflation. There is also a long wave theory that has data going back to 1800. Long wave data or, the Kondatieff Cycle, has been used to correctly anticipate cycles. In 1980 I was introduced to the long wave or Kontatieff Cycle by Harry Laubsher, Chief Technical Analyst for Paine Webber. The information I was given 30 years ago has passed a 30 year litmus test and is still right on the money.

    The deflationists also have a compelling story based on trends, cycles, history and fundamental information. Global debt = austerity = less consumption=slower business = less wages, more unemployment = price reductions to stimulate business = deflation. The housing market is a perfect example. It is a free market between an individual buyer and an individual seller. Where's the inflation here?

    There will be counter trends, counter sectors of inflation. Money supply is controlled by the Central Banks but spending is still a factor of how many people spend money on what goods and services. The general public is finding borrowing more difficult. The financially disenfranchised, who make up about 47% of the population, are not able to borrow and their wages have remained stagnant. It is the massive weight of debt, debt repayment and stagnant to falling wages for the majority of workers that will cause deflationary pressures.

    Pumping trillions of dollars into the world financial markets didn't create hyperinflation. A few billion more will likely have the same effect. Oil demand has slackened as oil prices are between $70-$80 a barrel. Long term oil, a diminishing resource, is likely to rise along with food and water prices. The general markets, that are discretionary, will continue to fall in price — but debt repayment also means real estate and the stocks of discretionary consumer spending companies will fall.

    Part of your analysis is correct. But betting that we continue in a general, overall inflationary market belies what happened during and after the Great Depression and violates the one theory that has proven itself correct for 200 years.

    Safe personal financial decisions should be based on a close watch of ALL commodity prices, especially gold and oil, currency markets, M3 and bond prices. I made a fortune doing just that for 17 years as a successful stock broker and brokerage firm owner. My advise remains: debt rules the lives of countries and their inhabitants. Change is now a daily proposition. Monitor ALL commodity prices daily and be prepared for risk in all markets. There may be a brief hyperinflation – but it will be unsustainable and the long term wave and massive debt will smother that counter trend. This is a time to be very careful and not buy into theories but rather to know the cause and effect interrelationship of mass wages, money supply, diminishing resources that will continue to rise, and, the mass movement or lack of capital flow. In other words you have to study “unbiased” economics but more important, watch the current situation as it unfolds — not subscribing to theories but watching with wisdom as if your fiscal and physical life was in danger.

    The old adage, the will be market turbulence is still in effect — not getting faked-out — that's the hat trick.

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  • JasonBurack

    Thanks Bill for sharing your insight and wisdom. The point of me writing this article was to show people that gold does well during deflation. So if we get inflation or deflation it doesn't matter a whole bunch, because gold will do well in either. Silver and the others might not do as well during deflation but because of the manipulation in silver and the supply/demand fundamentals silver has, I think silver will do well as a commodity as we continue to find many more uses for it. The rule I go by is not all commodities are created equal. I don't want exposure to every commodity like Jim Rogers says in his index. While the US economy contracts, China and others are expanding. Consumption will have to increase in those countries. Demand for key natural resources like oil, agriculture/food/potash and water technology should be staples of an astute investor's portfolio. Rare Earth Metals, Copper and silver will be required for alternative energy technologies. I have done my homework on supply/demand fundamentals for commodities. I have a good mix of ones that will do well inflation or no inflation. Supply on many is dwindling, the ore grades are significantly lower across the board, and demand is increasing. I am a believer in peak oil and other peak metals. We are not running out but all of the cheap and easy to find stuff is gone and prices will have to go much higher to find new supply.

  • JasonBurack

    Bill,
    It doesn't matter if hyperinflations are short. They are always short and always very violent! Normally, very few people survive them financially intact. Also, immediately following a hyperinflation, a pure deflation (not like the asset deflation and monetary/price inflation occurring now) occurs while a new money system is being implemented. My point is most people don't survive the hyperinflation to make it to the deflation to follow. Hyperinflation and pure deflation work as a pair like yin/yang when governments and central bankers are involved. I am of the Austrian School's opinion that inflation is 100% pure government policy and is intentionally created by a government and in this case the Federal Reserve and the banking system.

  • modawoud

    Hey Jason,

    Good article. I'm a no nonsense type of guy and I believe those Elliot Wave people talk a lot of nonsense regarding the price of gold and their deflation theory. The money supply did contract but once the government prints more money (my guess is when the market crashes in the end of the summer) then the money supply will go up. Beside, Prechter did say that we will have inflation eventually so I think a few deflationist would agree on that as well. We will have to suffer with the debt we have and it will be inflation.

  • JasonBurack

    Mo,
    I am not saying Prechter is completely worthless. He is actually a great short-medium term technical trader. He won some contest during the 80s or 90s and out-traded everyone else on the planet. The problem is the Elliot Wave Theory's track record becomes very poor the longer time frame a prediction or forecast goes out. Something about long waves being tougher to interpret. I am not a fan of Prechter giving long term investor advice. He and his EW people are telling people that because gold and silver commercials are running on TV, that everyone is buying gold and the top is in. It couldn't be further from the truth. Almost no one on Main St in the US is buying gold or silver. We are still looked at as nuts. So that's a good sign from a contrarian indicator that gold and silver have more of a wall of worry to continue to climb in price! When everyone thinks they are a gold and silver expert and is buying and trust me we will all know, it's time to get out. Nowhere near the top. I am 100% sure of this. Gold is not even at its inflation adjusted high from 1980 and there is more economic trouble than back then…

  • JasonBurack

    This was my friend Jordan Trendsman's response after reading my article:

    “One thing about declining money supply- this is really a precursor to serious inflation…that and a weak economy. Declining money supply causes a lack of production and supply…its the scarcity element next to the fact that people lose confidence in currencies…that creates inflation and then the lack of additional production in the economy due to a falling money supply, creates scarcity, which exacerbates price inflation.”

    You can read Jordan's work on The Daily Gold website http://thedailygold.com/ or Trendsman Investment Research at http://www.trendsman.com/

  • Garcaro1

    Great article man. I can tell you put a lot of work into this one. I dig it!

  • JasonBurack

    Jason of Gold Stock Bull had this to say about my article,
    ” Yeah, I agree with your take on things. I think the inflation vs. deflation argument is pointless because we are witnessing both. Price inflation in cash-based markets (food, energy, consumer items, etc.) and price deflation in credit-based markets (real estate, automobiles, etc.). The supply of actual currency is increasing, but the biggest component of M3 (credit) is contracting. So, depending on how you want to define the variables and which you want to use, you could make a case for anything. Ultimately though, even if the deflationary dip continues, I agree with you that gold and silver are headed much higher. This is particularly true in Dow terms. The ratio may reach 1:1 before all is said and done. Great blog and writing skills. I enjoy reading your stuff. Cheers.”

    Please visit http://www.goldstockbull.com/ to see more of Jason's work.

  • JasonBurack

    Thanks Glenn. It took me weeks to compile all of the sources for it. It is long but it had to be. What is going on now is real complicated. Are we still going to do that interview or are you still too busy?

  • JasonBurack
  • Nathan Wosnack

    Thanks for this great article, Jason.

    There is a major issue with the late John Exter's theory of inevitable falling assets prices according to his inverted pyramid of liquidity has a major flaw.

    In this world gold is not more liquid than Cash to the average citizens and corporations (of course, not for the central bankers and governments who can shift money around through “Plunge Protection Team” through the President's Working Group on Financial Markets (PWG), as created by Executive Order of President Ronald Reagan in March 1988):

    “According to Exter, gold is more liquid than anything else. This is wrong conceptually. Gold is not money today. Therefore, you must pay a commission to buy or sell it. If you pay a commission, the asset is not truly liquid. One of the three characteristics of liquidity is the absence of any commission. This means money. Any asset that can be exchanged only by paying a commission is not money.” – Why Deflation Is Not Inevitable (Sadly), Part 1: John Exter's Mistake by Gary North (Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north798.html).

    Nathan Wosnack
    F.A. Hayek Institute of Canada

  • JasonBurack

    Nathan,
    It doesn't matter if gold is more liquid than anything else. It's liquid. It's recognized worldwide as money. Will the dollar still be recognized worldwide as money in 5-10 yrs?

    It's very easy to liquidate your gold. Any credible jeweler or pawn shop will buy it relatively close to spot and you can receive cash or a cashier's check immediately.

    It's the Cash for Gold companies that give everyone in that business a very bad name and reputation.

    Also, when new paper, fiat currencies are issued you can trade in your gold for that new currency. What if you held US Dollars, UK Pounds or Euros and the currency goes to its intrinsic value.

    I honestly don't care if gold is the most liquid. It's one of the most liquid stores of value available of any asset and that's all that matters.

    GoldMoney.com IS liquid also. You can exchange your metal immediately for 6 currencies.

  • Nathan Wosnack

    Jason,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Don't get me wrong. I am a completely adamant supporter of precious metals investing, particular gold (and silver) and I've invested in both for many years and will continue to do so well into the future as part of my investment portfolio. I'm also an avid supporter of the Austrian School of Economics. I also run a research institute dedicated to F.A. Hayek with a few colleagues.

    You also misread the quote that I made of Gary North. He never, and I never stated that gold was more liquid than anything else. On the contrary it is less liquid than cash because if you wish to buy it or sell it you will still be paying a commission to whomever is selling it to you or whoever you are buying it from. While some companies such as the Vancouver Bullion Exchange for example, claim they do not charge a commission, they do indeed charge a flat buying and selling rate which obviously differs from spot price. This is the cost of doing business, and all businesses must make profit. Pawn shops and Jewelers will charge larger fees and are generally not worth selling mint condition coins or bullion bars to – go to a professional precious metals dealer to do that.

    Sites that I've found large the least fees overall, with small custody fees is BullionVault.com. They store the metals in vaults meaning you won't lose out on fees until you decide to cash out for delivery. GoldMoney.com. Sure, it's liquid but it's not as liquid as cash. The information I was pointing to in Garth North's (a seasoned precious metals investor and columnist) assessment is that you cannot presently purchase all things you want with gold. You can't bring gold to the store and buy a loaf of bread, or go out with your silver and have a steak dinner or pay your rent, or mortgage payments with it. While we may very well come to a point in the future where we could see gold becoming more and more liquid, the fact of the matter is: Exter's graph is slightly inaccurate. Put cash on the bottom and then have gold above it.

    I do sincerely hope this one day changes as we'd no longer have the Federal Reserve, and other central banking authorities stealing our inherent wealth through inflation and excessive printing.
    All fiat currencies eventually fail once hyperinflation hits. Holding onto gold and other precious metals (and commodities) which have a store of value, as you pointed out, will be your saving grace. Just understand that as it is, paper money is more liquid, easier to send to buy real goods and services so essentially that inverted pyramid of liquidity is flawed. That was all I was pointing out.

    Regards,
    Nathan Wosnack
    F.A. Hayek Institute of Canada

  • JasonBurack

    Banks are going to start LOTS more nickel and dime commissions, fees and processing and handling charges here in the US. Gold is much safer than paper, especially US dollars.

    I don't want to wake up one day and see that there's been a Bank Holiday and that they've revalued the dollars.

    We hold our new businesses cash in GoldMoney acct. The Fed is still doing plenty of disguised QE. Their statement yesterday had it cleverly worded.

  • Nathan Wosnack

    Jason,

    Without a doubt banks will start nickle and diming us on transactions. They already with ATM fees, regular banking fees, and services like Wire Transfers. As a Canadian I already know how painful it is to convert US Dollars to Canadian Dollars (and vice versa).

    “I don’t want to wake up one day and see that there’s been a Bank Holiday and that they’ve revalued the dollars.” – My colleagues and I wrote an interesting article on August 9th, 2010, revised today, that touches a bit on bank runs and the loss of depositor confidence (http://hayekinstitute.ca/journals/TFSA-08-09-10.html). We at the F.A. Hayek Institute of Canada pointed out that Canada has the most stable banking system in the world (Source: World Economic Forum Global Competitiveness Report 2008-2009), but this means absolutely nothing if enough depositors lose confidence. This results in a cataclysmic domino effect that reaches far beyond borders, and could have far-reaching implications world-wide.

    Remarkably, I want to revise what I previously said about gold and silver not being liquid as cash. While I still stand by Garth North’s and my own statements. In David Morgan’s “Get the Skinny On Silver Investing” (A book I highly recommend reading by the way) he points out that in the late 1970′s in California during hyperinflation periods, gas stations were exclusively taking silver coins for payment.

    Amazingly, this is happening right now in America! I Just found this You Tube video: “Junk Silver Coins are being used in Grocery Stores: George4title (user: clayvessel)” Posted June 16, 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5mZBSrfnuM. Confidence in the Federal Reserve System seems to be at record lows. It’s time to open it up, audit them, and shut them down.

    Sincerely,
    Nathan Wosnack
    F.A. Hayek Institute of Canada

  • Anonymous

    Nathan,
    I’ve read David Morgan’s book. I haven’t read Michael Maloney’s book or James Turk’s books but familiar with both their work as well. Morgan’s book is very clear and concise and was a very easy and enjoyable read.

    Are you also aware that Gerald Celente is predicting a Bank Holiday and a currency revaluation sometime in the next 6-12 months?

    We live in interesting and scary times my friend.

    If a large commercial real estate collapse does occur it could trigger a run on the banks…